diff --git a/crates/effects/src/bake.rs b/crates/effects/src/bake.rs
index 2cffad6581..27d3194eb3 100644
--- a/crates/effects/src/bake.rs
+++ b/crates/effects/src/bake.rs
@@ -26,20 +26,20 @@ use vectorcraft_geom::{Affine, FillRule, PathData, Rect, Vec2};
 
 use crate::distort::{transform_move, transform_offsets};
 use crate::group::{has_own_paint, paints};
-use crate::reshape::{as_art, geometry_effects, glyph_outlines, outline_nested_text, reshape_leaves};
+use crate::reshape::{as_art, clipping_text_outline, geometry_effects, glyph_outlines, outline_nested_text, reshape_leaves};
 use crate::{
     GeomContext, adjust_in_document, apply_geometry_carrying, crop_marks_art, evaluate_container, has_adjustment, has_crop_marks, has_geometry,
-    has_instance_row_raster, has_item_geometry, has_pathfinder, is_pathfinder, merged_params, needs_outline, outline_text, reshape,
+    has_instance_row_raster, has_item_geometry, has_pathfinder, is_pathfinder, merged_params, needs_outline, reshape,
 };
 
-fn item_effects(item: &AppearanceItem) -> &[vectorcraft_doc::Effect] {
+pub(crate) fn item_effects(item: &AppearanceItem) -> &[vectorcraft_doc::Effect] {
     match item {
         AppearanceItem::Fill(f) => &f.effects,
         AppearanceItem::Stroke(s) => &s.effects,
     }
 }
 
-fn clear_item_effects(item: &mut AppearanceItem) {
+pub(crate) fn clear_item_effects(item: &mut AppearanceItem) {
     match item {
         AppearanceItem::Fill(f) => f.effects = crate::raster::without_geometry(&f.effects),
         AppearanceItem::Stroke(s) => s.effects = crate::raster::without_geometry(&s.effects),
@@ -74,7 +74,7 @@ fn geometry(n: &Node) -> Option<(PathData, FillRule)> {
 
 /// `path` with the geometry effects of `effects` applied, and how gradients follow them
 /// ([`crate::Carry`]).
-fn apply(effects: &[vectorcraft_doc::Effect], path: &PathData, ctx: &GeomContext) -> (PathData, crate::Carry) {
+pub(crate) fn apply(effects: &[vectorcraft_doc::Effect], path: &PathData, ctx: &GeomContext) -> (PathData, crate::Carry) {
     if !has_geometry(effects) || path.is_empty() {
         return (path.clone(), crate::Carry::default());
     }
@@ -86,7 +86,7 @@ fn apply(effects: &[vectorcraft_doc::Effect], path: &PathData, ctx: &GeomContext
 /// context of) applied, and `carried` (`item` as the object's effects left it) with its gradient
 /// moved along with them and the Transform effects the geometry pass left out hidden
 /// ([`crate::Carry::hide_skipped`]).
-fn apply_item(item: &AppearanceItem, carried: &AppearanceItem, g: &PathData, ctx: &GeomContext) -> (PathData, AppearanceItem) {
+pub(crate) fn apply_item(item: &AppearanceItem, carried: &AppearanceItem, g: &PathData, ctx: &GeomContext) -> (PathData, AppearanceItem) {
     let (ig, carry) = apply(item_effects(item), g, &ctx.item(item));
     let mut ap = Appearance { items: vec![carried.clone()], ..Default::default() };
     if carry.moves(&ap) {
@@ -202,7 +202,22 @@ fn bake_node(d: &mut Document, n: &Node) -> Option<Node> {
             return bake_leaf(d, n);
         }
         let mut m = n.clone();
-        let baked: Vec<Arc<Node>> = ch.iter().map(|c| bake_node(d, c).map(Arc::new).unwrap_or_else(|| c.clone())).collect();
+        // A clipping path takes the geometry effects in it as the canvas clips by it, those of a
+        // compound path's paths before the compound path's own ([`crate::clip::with_clip_effects_applied`]);
+        // the pieces it is made of then get ids of their own.
+        let clip = usize::from(n.clips());
+        let baked: Vec<Arc<Node>> = ch
+            .iter()
+            .enumerate()
+            .map(|(i, c)| match (i < clip).then(|| crate::clip::with_clip_effects_applied(c)).flatten() {
+                Some(a) => {
+                    let mut a = bake_node(d, &a).unwrap_or(a);
+                    fresh_ids(d, &mut a, &mut std::collections::HashSet::new());
+                    Arc::new(a)
+                }
+                None => bake_node(d, c).map(Arc::new).unwrap_or_else(|| c.clone()),
+            })
+            .collect();
         if let Some(ch) = m.children_mut() {
             *ch = baked;
         }
@@ -407,7 +422,7 @@ fn container_keeping_type(d: &Document, n: &Node) -> Option<Node> {
                         last => Some(Node::group(c.id, copies.into_iter().chain(last).map(Arc::new).collect())),
                     }
                 }
-                None if clipping => outline_text(c).map(|o| Node { visible: c.visible, ..o }),
+                None if clipping => clipping_text_outline(c),
                 None => as_art(Some(d), c, None),
             };
             if let Some(o) = art {
@@ -469,7 +484,7 @@ fn piece(d: &mut Document, n: &Node, path: PathData, rule: FillRule, item: Appea
 
 /// `n`'s geometry with its object-level geometry effects applied, its fill rule, the context of
 /// its effects, and `n` without those effects, its gradients moved along with them.
-fn leaf_base(n: &Node) -> Option<(PathData, FillRule, GeomContext<'_>, Node)> {
+pub(crate) fn leaf_base(n: &Node) -> Option<(PathData, FillRule, GeomContext<'_>, Node)> {
     let (base, rule) = geometry(n)?;
     let ctx = GeomContext::of(n);
     let mut m = n.clone();
diff --git a/crates/effects/src/bake/tests.rs b/crates/effects/src/bake/tests.rs
index f3855f57ca..d2ba694149 100644
--- a/crates/effects/src/bake/tests.rs
+++ b/crates/effects/src/bake/tests.rs
@@ -793,7 +793,7 @@ fn type_outlined_next_to_type_that_stays_type_keeps_its_look() {
 }
 
 #[test]
-fn type_in_a_clipping_group_with_a_fill_of_its_own_is_outlined_plain() {
+fn type_in_a_clipping_group_with_a_fill_of_its_own_keeps_its_effect() {
     if skip_without_craft_fonts() {
         return;
     }
@@ -808,9 +808,9 @@ fn type_in_a_clipping_group_with_a_fill_of_its_own_is_outlined_plain() {
     g.children_mut().unwrap().push(Arc::new(clip));
     let d = bake_document(&doc_with(g)).unwrap();
     assert_eq!(type_origins(&d), [(20.0, 60.0), (220.0, 60.0)]);
-    // The type clips by its plain outlines, as the canvas clips by them: its own effect is left out.
+    // The type clips by its outlines moved by its own effect, as the canvas clips by them.
     let b = d.node(NodeId(59)).and_then(|n| n.geometric_bounds()).unwrap();
-    assert!(b.y0 > 30.0 && b.y1 < 70.0, "{b:?}");
+    assert!(b.y0 > 330.0 && b.y1 < 370.0, "{b:?}");
 }
 
 #[test]
diff --git a/crates/effects/src/clip.rs b/crates/effects/src/clip.rs
index a3e31f1842..60cc3f2845 100644
--- a/crates/effects/src/clip.rs
+++ b/crates/effects/src/clip.rs
@@ -7,9 +7,124 @@ use vectorcraft_geom::{BezPath, FillRule, PathData};
 
 /// The clipping path `clip` of a clip group as one path and fill rule: compound paths keep their
 /// holes, even-odd paths their rule, text clips by its glyph outlines and a group by the union of
-/// its members. `None` when there is nothing to clip by (the clipped art is then hidden).
+/// its members. The live geometry effects of the clipping path (and of the members it clips by)
+/// reshape the region, as they reshape what it paints, and so do the geometry effects of a path's
+/// fills and strokes: the region is then the union of the paths they give, as an export bakes them.
+/// `None` when there is nothing to clip by (the clipped art is then hidden).
 pub fn clip_outline(clip: &Node) -> Option<(BezPath, FillRule)> {
-    clip.clip_outline(Some(&outline_text), &unite)
+    match clip_effects_applied(clip, true) {
+        Some(m) => m.clip_outline(Some(&outline_text), &unite),
+        None => clip.clip_outline(Some(&outline_text), &unite),
+    }
+}
+
+/// `n`, the clipping path of a clip group, with the live geometry effects of everything it clips by
+/// applied, innermost first, and removed: a path or compound path with effects becomes a path of
+/// its reshaped geometry that keeps its fills, strokes and other effects (its gradients follow the
+/// effects, as an export bakes it), the paths of a compound path and the visible members of a group
+/// are reshaped by their own effects before the effects around them, a group's or layer's own
+/// effects reshape its members as an export evaluates them, and other objects with effects (type)
+/// become a path of their reshaped region. A path or compound path whose fills or strokes have
+/// geometry effects becomes a group of one path per fill and stroke, reshaped by the path's effects
+/// and then by that fill's or stroke's, as an export bakes it; [`clip_outline`] clips by their
+/// union. A clipping path that paints ([`Node::clip_paint`], which a group does not) keeps the
+/// geometry effects of its own fills and strokes live instead. `None` when nothing in it has a
+/// geometry effect. Effects on the clip group or around it then reshape the result, after its own.
+pub(crate) fn with_clip_effects_applied(n: &Node) -> Option<Node> {
+    let paint = n.clip_paint();
+    clip_effects_applied(n, paint.fill.is_none() && paint.stroke.is_none())
+}
+
+/// [`with_clip_effects_applied`]; with `items` unset (a clipping path that paints, and the paths of
+/// a compound path, which draw with the compound path's fills and strokes), the geometry effects of
+/// `n`'s own fills and strokes are left out.
+fn clip_effects_applied(n: &Node, items: bool) -> Option<Node> {
+    let mut m: Option<Node> = None;
+    let members: &[std::sync::Arc<Node>] = match &n.kind {
+        NodeKind::Group { children, clip: true } => children.get(..1).unwrap_or_default(),
+        NodeKind::Group { children, .. } | NodeKind::Layer { children, .. } | NodeKind::Compound { children, .. } => children,
+        _ => &[],
+    };
+    // A group or layer clips by its visible members after its shaper; a compound path by all of
+    // its paths, and a nested clip group by its clipping path, shown or hidden
+    // ([`Node::clip_shapes`]).
+    let all = matches!(n.kind, NodeKind::Compound { .. } | NodeKind::Group { clip: true, .. });
+    let skip = usize::from(matches!(n.kind, NodeKind::Group { clip: false, .. } | NodeKind::Layer { .. }) && n.extras().shaper.is_some());
+    // The paths of a compound path draw with the compound path's fills and strokes, and stay paths.
+    let compound = matches!(n.kind, NodeKind::Compound { .. });
+    for (i, c) in members.iter().enumerate().skip(skip).filter(|(_, c)| all || c.visible) {
+        if let Some(r) = clip_effects_applied(c, items && !compound)
+            && let Some(slot) = m.get_or_insert_with(|| n.clone()).children_mut().and_then(|ch| ch.get_mut(i))
+        {
+            *slot = std::sync::Arc::new(r);
+        }
+    }
+    let items = items
+        && matches!(n.kind, NodeKind::Path { .. } | NodeKind::Compound { .. })
+        && n.appearance.items.iter().any(|i| crate::has_geometry(crate::bake::item_effects(i)));
+    if items && let Some((g, rule, ctx, mut p)) = crate::bake::leaf_base(m.as_ref().unwrap_or(n)) {
+        let children = n
+            .appearance
+            .items
+            .iter()
+            .zip(&p.appearance.items)
+            .map(|(item, carried)| {
+                let (ig, mut it) = crate::bake::apply_item(item, carried, &g, &ctx);
+                crate::bake::clear_item_effects(&mut it);
+                let mut piece = Node::path(n.id, ig, Appearance { items: vec![it], ..Default::default() });
+                if let NodeKind::Path { rule: r, .. } = &mut piece.kind {
+                    *r = rule;
+                }
+                std::sync::Arc::new(piece)
+            })
+            .collect();
+        // The path's transparency and raster effects stay on the group of its pieces.
+        p.appearance.items.clear();
+        p.kind = NodeKind::Group { children, clip: false };
+        return Some(p);
+    }
+    if !crate::has_geometry(&n.appearance.effects) {
+        return m;
+    }
+    let cur = m.as_ref().unwrap_or(n);
+    // A group's or layer's effects reshape each of its members (a clip group's its clipping
+    // path), as an export evaluates them; otherwise they reshape its region, below.
+    if matches!(cur.kind, NodeKind::Group { .. } | NodeKind::Layer { .. })
+        && let Some(e) = crate::group::evaluate_container(None, cur)
+    {
+        return Some(e);
+    }
+    // A path or compound path, as an export bakes it.
+    if let Some((g, rule, _, mut p)) = crate::bake::leaf_base(cur) {
+        let clipping = match &cur.kind {
+            NodeKind::Path { clipping, .. } => *clipping,
+            NodeKind::Compound { children, .. } => children.iter().any(|c| matches!(c.kind, NodeKind::Path { clipping: true, .. })),
+            _ => false,
+        };
+        p.kind = Node::path(n.id, g, Appearance::default()).kind;
+        if let NodeKind::Path { rule: r, clipping: c, .. } = &mut p.kind {
+            (*r, *c) = (rule, clipping);
+        }
+        return Some(p);
+    }
+    // Type, as its painted outlines that its effects reshape as an export evaluates them.
+    if matches!(cur.kind, NodeKind::Text(_))
+        && let Some(mut o) = crate::outline_text(cur)
+    {
+        o.visible = n.visible;
+        o.appearance.effects = n.appearance.effects.clone();
+        if let Some(e) = crate::group::evaluate_container(None, &o) {
+            return Some(e);
+        }
+    }
+    let (bp, rule) = cur.clip_outline(Some(&outline_text), &unite)?;
+    let (g, _) = crate::bake::apply(&n.appearance.effects, &PathData::from_bezpath(&bp), &crate::GeomContext::of(n));
+    let mut p = Node::path(n.id, g, Appearance::default());
+    if let NodeKind::Path { rule: r, .. } = &mut p.kind {
+        *r = rule;
+    }
+    p.visible = n.visible;
+    Some(p)
 }
 
 /// The knockout shape of a piece of a mesh-warped image ([`Node::knockout_outline`]) painted opaque
diff --git a/crates/effects/src/group.rs b/crates/effects/src/group.rs
index 4df0a105ce..0db50ef925 100644
--- a/crates/effects/src/group.rs
+++ b/crates/effects/src/group.rs
@@ -845,9 +845,10 @@ pub fn evaluate_container(doc: Option<&Document>, n: &Node) -> Option<Node> {
 /// Replace each visible member of `n` with geometry or Pathfinder effects of its own, at every
 /// depth of its groups and layers, by the art it draws ([`evaluate_container`],
 /// [`crate::reshape::own_effects_art`]), so the geometry effects of `n` reshape what its members
-/// draw. A clip group's clipping path stays as it is, and so do images, symbol instances and the
-/// other objects that `own_effects_art` leaves alone, and a group or layer with a 3D effect with
-/// everything in it. Calls nested in one another, through the
+/// draw. A clip group's clipping path only takes the geometry effects in it into its geometry
+/// ([`crate::clip::with_clip_effects_applied`]). Images, symbol instances and the other objects
+/// that `own_effects_art` leaves alone stay as they are, and so does a group or layer with a 3D
+/// effect with everything in it. Calls nested in one another, through the
 /// groups and layers it walks and the art it evaluates (symbol art and Pathfinder members
 /// included), stop at [`vectorcraft_doc::depth::MAX_DEPTH`] deep, and together they replace at
 /// most [`crate::SYMBOL_ART_MAX_NODES`] members: past either limit, members stay as they are.
@@ -855,6 +856,13 @@ pub(crate) fn members_as_drawn(doc: Option<&Document>, n: &mut Node) {
     let Some(_frame) = DrawnFrame::enter() else { return };
     let clip = usize::from(n.clips());
     let Some(ch) = n.children_mut() else { return };
+    // The clipping path's own geometry effects shape it before the effects around it do.
+    if clip == 1
+        && let Some(first) = ch.first_mut()
+        && let Some(applied) = crate::clip::with_clip_effects_applied(first)
+    {
+        *first = Arc::new(applied);
+    }
     for c in ch.iter_mut().skip(clip).filter(|c| c.visible) {
         if !DrawnFrame::take_member() {
             return;
diff --git a/crates/effects/src/group/tests.rs b/crates/effects/src/group/tests.rs
index 8e00718c01..947bf262f5 100644
--- a/crates/effects/src/group/tests.rs
+++ b/crates/effects/src/group/tests.rs
@@ -747,9 +747,9 @@ fn a_baked_group_that_keeps_its_type_applies_its_members_effects_first() {
     assert!((w - 250.0).abs() < 1e-6, "{w}");
 }
 
-/// A clip group's clipping path keeps its own effects; the clipped members take theirs first.
+/// A clip group's clipping path and the clipped members take their own effects first.
 #[test]
-fn a_clipping_path_keeps_its_own_effects_under_a_groups_effects() {
+fn a_clipping_path_takes_its_own_effects_before_a_groups_effects() {
     let mut clip = with_effect(square_at_100(), offset_10());
     clip.id = NodeId(2);
     if let NodeKind::Path { clipping, .. } = &mut clip.kind {
@@ -762,7 +762,9 @@ fn a_clipping_path_keeps_its_own_effects_under_a_groups_effects() {
     let clip_group = art.children().unwrap()[0].clone();
     let ch = clip_group.children().unwrap();
     assert!(matches!(ch[0].kind, NodeKind::Path { clipping: true, .. }), "{:?}", ch[0].kind);
-    assert_eq!(crate::reshape::geometry_effects(&ch[0]).len(), 1, "the clipping path keeps its Offset Path");
+    assert!(crate::reshape::geometry_effects(&ch[0]).is_empty(), "the clipping path's Offset Path is applied");
+    let w = ch[0].geometric_bounds().unwrap().width();
+    assert!((w - 60.0).abs() < 0.5, "grown by 10 on each side, then scaled to 50 %: {w}");
     assert!(matches!(ch[1].kind, NodeKind::Group { .. }) && crate::reshape::geometry_effects(&ch[1]).is_empty(), "the member is drawn as its art");
 }
 
diff --git a/crates/effects/src/reshape.rs b/crates/effects/src/reshape.rs
index 83ff68431f..ee7d3f8322 100644
--- a/crates/effects/src/reshape.rs
+++ b/crates/effects/src/reshape.rs
@@ -689,18 +689,28 @@ fn instances_as_art(doc: Option<&Document>, n: &mut Node, outline: OutlineHook,
     }
 }
 
+/// Type `t` in a clip group's clipping path as its outlines ([`outline_text`]) with its
+/// visibility, or with geometry effects as a path of the region they give it, which is what
+/// [`crate::clip_outline`] clips by.
+pub(crate) fn clipping_text_outline(t: &Node) -> Option<Node> {
+    if let Some(p) = crate::clip::with_clip_effects_applied(t) {
+        return Some(p);
+    }
+    let o = outline_text(t)?;
+    Some(Node { visible: t.visible, ..o })
+}
+
 /// Replace type anywhere inside `n` by its outlines, as art that keeps the type's look
 /// ([`as_art`]). Type in a clip group's clipping path (all of `n` when `clipping` is set) becomes
-/// its plain outlines ([`outline_text`]) with its visibility, which is what
-/// [`crate::clip_outline`] clips by. The swatches and patterns that live-effect plug-ins painting
-/// their pieces name are looked up in `doc`.
+/// its outlines with its visibility and effects ([`clipping_text_outline`]). The swatches and
+/// patterns that live-effect plug-ins painting their pieces name are looked up in `doc`.
 pub(crate) fn outline_nested_text(doc: Option<&Document>, n: &mut Node, clipping: bool) {
     let clips = n.clips();
     let Some(ch) = n.children_mut() else { return };
     for (i, c) in ch.iter_mut().enumerate() {
         let clipping = clipping || (clips && i == 0);
         let art = match &c.kind {
-            NodeKind::Text(_) if clipping => outline_text(c).map(|o| Node { visible: c.visible, ..o }),
+            NodeKind::Text(_) if clipping => clipping_text_outline(c),
             NodeKind::Text(_) => as_art(doc, c, None),
             _ => None,
         };
diff --git a/crates/effects/src/tests.rs b/crates/effects/src/tests.rs
index 0023fc5b16..c43d383c19 100644
--- a/crates/effects/src/tests.rs
+++ b/crates/effects/src/tests.rs
@@ -4,6 +4,7 @@ use vectorcraft_geom::{Affine, PathData, Point, Rect, Shape, SubPath, shapes};
 
 use super::*;
 
+mod clipfx;
 mod imageoutline;
 mod painted;
 mod rasterfollow;
diff --git a/crates/effects/src/tests/clipfx.rs b/crates/effects/src/tests/clipfx.rs
new file mode 100644
index 0000000000..370f32fa81
--- /dev/null
+++ b/crates/effects/src/tests/clipfx.rs
@@ -0,0 +1,401 @@
+//! Live effects on the clipping path of a clip group: the region it clips to takes the shape its
+//! geometry effects give it, on the canvas as in an export.
+
+use std::sync::Arc;
+
+use serde_json::{Value, json};
+use vectorcraft_color::{Color, Paint};
+use vectorcraft_doc::{Appearance, Document, Effect, Node, NodeId, NodeKind};
+use vectorcraft_geom::{Rect, Shape, shapes};
+
+use crate::{bake_document, clip_outline};
+
+fn fx(id: &str, params: Value) -> Effect {
+    Effect { id: id.into(), params, visible: true }
+}
+
+/// A 100 pt square clipping path at (50, 50) with `effects`.
+fn clipping_path(id: u64, effects: Vec<Effect>) -> Node {
+    let mut p = Node::path(NodeId(id), shapes::rectangle(Rect::new(50.0, 50.0, 150.0, 150.0)), Appearance::default());
+    if let NodeKind::Path { clipping, .. } = &mut p.kind {
+        *clipping = true;
+    }
+    p.appearance.effects = effects;
+    p
+}
+
+/// A clip group: `clip` clipping a red 200 pt square at the origin.
+fn clip_group(id: u64, clip: Node) -> Node {
+    let art = Node::path(
+        NodeId(id + 100),
+        shapes::rectangle(Rect::new(0.0, 0.0, 200.0, 200.0)),
+        Appearance::basic(Paint::solid(Color::rgb(1.0, 0.0, 0.0)), Paint::None, 0.0),
+    );
+    Node::new(NodeId(id), NodeKind::Group { children: vec![Arc::new(clip), Arc::new(art)], clip: true })
+}
+
+fn bounds(n: &Node) -> Rect {
+    clip_outline(n).map(|(bp, _)| bp.bounding_box()).unwrap()
+}
+
+/// The clipping path of the first clip group in `doc` after an export bakes it.
+fn baked_clip(doc: &Document) -> Arc<Node> {
+    fn first(n: &Arc<Node>) -> Option<Arc<Node>> {
+        match &n.kind {
+            NodeKind::Group { children, clip: true } => children.first().cloned(),
+            _ => n.children()?.iter().find_map(first),
+        }
+    }
+    let baked = bake_document(doc).unwrap();
+    baked.layers.iter().find_map(first).unwrap()
+}
+
+#[test]
+fn transform_moves_the_clip() {
+    let clip = clipping_path(1, vec![fx("distort.transform", json!({"moveH": 60}))]);
+    let b = bounds(&clip);
+    assert!((b.x0 - 110.0).abs() < 1e-6 && (b.x1 - 210.0).abs() < 1e-6, "the clip moves with the clipping path: {b:?}");
+    assert!((b.y0 - 50.0).abs() < 1e-6 && (b.y1 - 150.0).abs() < 1e-6, "{b:?}");
+}
+
+#[test]
+fn roughen_clips_as_an_export_does() {
+    let mut d = Document::new(400.0, 400.0);
+    let layer = d.layers[0].id;
+    let group = clip_group(1, clipping_path(2, vec![fx("distort.roughen", json!({"size": 10, "detail": 10, "relative": false}))]));
+    d.insert(Some(layer), 0, group.clone()).unwrap();
+    let NodeKind::Group { children, .. } = &group.kind else { panic!("not a group") };
+    let live = clip_outline(&children[0]).unwrap();
+    let exported = clip_outline(&baked_clip(&d)).unwrap();
+    assert_eq!(live.1, exported.1);
+    assert_eq!(live.0, exported.0, "the canvas clips by the outline the export writes");
+    assert_ne!(live.0.bounding_box(), Rect::new(50.0, 50.0, 150.0, 150.0), "the roughened outline, not the plain square");
+}
+
+#[test]
+fn nested_members_keep_their_effects() {
+    // A group as the clipping path: its member's Transform effect moves its part of the region.
+    let moved = clipping_path(2, vec![fx("distort.transform", json!({"moveV": 60}))]);
+    let group = Node::group(NodeId(1), vec![Arc::new(moved)]);
+    let b = bounds(&group);
+    assert!((b.y0 - 110.0).abs() < 1e-6 && (b.y1 - 210.0).abs() < 1e-6, "{b:?}");
+    // A clip group as the clipping path clips by its own clipping path, effects and all.
+    let nested = clip_group(3, clipping_path(4, vec![fx("distort.transform", json!({"moveH": -30}))]));
+    let b = bounds(&nested);
+    assert!((b.x0 - 20.0).abs() < 1e-6 && (b.x1 - 120.0).abs() < 1e-6, "{b:?}");
+    // So does the nested clip group's own effect.
+    let mut nested = clip_group(7, clipping_path(8, vec![]));
+    nested.appearance.effects.push(fx("distort.transform", json!({"moveH": 30})));
+    let b = bounds(&nested);
+    assert!((b.x0 - 80.0).abs() < 1e-6 && (b.x1 - 180.0).abs() < 1e-6, "{b:?}");
+    // The group's own Transform effect applies on top of its members'.
+    let mut group = Node::group(NodeId(5), vec![Arc::new(clipping_path(6, vec![fx("distort.transform", json!({"moveV": 60}))]))]);
+    group.appearance.effects.push(fx("distort.transform", json!({"moveH": 10})));
+    let b = bounds(&group);
+    assert!((b.x0 - 60.0).abs() < 1e-6 && (b.y0 - 110.0).abs() < 1e-6, "{b:?}");
+}
+
+#[test]
+fn a_roughened_group_clips_as_an_export_does() {
+    // Two members side by side, Roughen on the group: each member is roughened, as in the export.
+    let member = |id: u64, x: f64| {
+        Arc::new(Node::path(
+            NodeId(id),
+            shapes::rectangle(Rect::new(x, 50.0, x + 40.0, 150.0)),
+            Appearance::basic(Paint::solid(Color::BLACK), Paint::None, 0.0),
+        ))
+    };
+    let mut clip = Node::group(NodeId(2), vec![member(3, 50.0), member(4, 110.0)]);
+    clip.appearance.effects.push(fx("distort.roughen", json!({"size": 10, "detail": 10, "relative": false})));
+    let mut d = Document::new(400.0, 400.0);
+    let layer = d.layers[0].id;
+    d.insert(Some(layer), 0, clip_group(1, clip.clone())).unwrap();
+    let live = clip_outline(&clip).unwrap();
+    assert_eq!(live.0, clip_outline(&baked_clip(&d)).unwrap().0, "the canvas clips by the outline the export writes");
+    assert_ne!(live.0.bounding_box(), Rect::new(50.0, 50.0, 150.0, 150.0));
+}
+
+#[test]
+fn a_compound_paths_member_keeps_its_effect() {
+    // A ring whose hole a Transform effect moves 20 pt right, as the export bakes it.
+    let ring = |effects: Vec<Effect>| {
+        let outer = Node::path(NodeId(3), shapes::rectangle(Rect::new(50.0, 50.0, 150.0, 150.0)), Appearance::default());
+        let mut hole = Node::path(NodeId(4), shapes::rectangle(Rect::new(75.0, 75.0, 125.0, 125.0)), Appearance::default());
+        hole.appearance.effects = effects;
+        Node::new(NodeId(2), NodeKind::Compound { children: vec![Arc::new(outer), Arc::new(hole)], rule: vectorcraft_geom::FillRule::EvenOdd })
+    };
+    let moved = ring(vec![fx("distort.transform", json!({"moveH": 20}))]);
+    let mut d = Document::new(400.0, 400.0);
+    let layer = d.layers[0].id;
+    d.insert(Some(layer), 0, clip_group(1, moved.clone())).unwrap();
+    let live = clip_outline(&moved).unwrap();
+    assert_eq!(live, clip_outline(&baked_clip(&d)).unwrap(), "the canvas clips by the outline the export writes");
+    assert_ne!(live, clip_outline(&ring(vec![])).unwrap(), "the hole moves");
+    // With a Transform of the compound path's own moving the whole ring 10 pt down after it.
+    let mut both = moved.clone();
+    both.appearance.effects.push(fx("distort.transform", json!({"moveV": 10})));
+    let mut d = Document::new(400.0, 400.0);
+    let layer = d.layers[0].id;
+    d.insert(Some(layer), 0, clip_group(1, both.clone())).unwrap();
+    let live = clip_outline(&both).unwrap();
+    assert_eq!(live, clip_outline(&baked_clip(&d)).unwrap(), "the canvas clips by the outline the export writes");
+    assert_ne!(live.0.bounding_box(), clip_outline(&moved).unwrap().0.bounding_box(), "the ring moves down");
+}
+
+#[test]
+fn the_clipping_paths_effects_apply_before_the_clip_groups() {
+    // Scale 50 % on the clipping path, then Offset Path 10 on its clip group: the region is the
+    // half-size square grown by 10, as if the clipping path had been drawn at half size.
+    let group = |clip: Node| {
+        let mut g = clip_group(1, clip);
+        g.appearance.effects.push(fx("path.offsetPath", json!({"offset": 10})));
+        g
+    };
+    let scaled = group(clipping_path(2, vec![fx("distort.transform", json!({"scaleH": 50, "scaleV": 50}))]));
+    let mut half = clipping_path(2, vec![]);
+    if let NodeKind::Path { path, .. } = &mut half.kind {
+        *path = shapes::rectangle(Rect::new(75.0, 75.0, 125.0, 125.0));
+    }
+    let want = bounds(&group(half));
+    let got = bounds(&scaled);
+    assert!((got.x0 - want.x0).abs() < 0.5 && (got.x1 - want.x1).abs() < 0.5, "{got:?} against {want:?}");
+    assert!((want.x0 - 65.0).abs() < 0.5, "{want:?}");
+    // The clip group as the canvas evaluates it for its effect, and as an export bakes it.
+    let evaluated = crate::evaluate_container(None, &scaled).unwrap();
+    let NodeKind::Group { children, clip: true } = &evaluated.kind else { panic!("not a clip group") };
+    let b = clip_outline(&children[0]).unwrap().0.bounding_box();
+    assert!((b.x0 - want.x0).abs() < 0.5 && (b.x1 - want.x1).abs() < 0.5, "evaluated: {b:?} against {want:?}");
+    let mut d = Document::new(400.0, 400.0);
+    let layer = d.layers[0].id;
+    d.insert(Some(layer), 0, scaled).unwrap();
+    let b = clip_outline(&baked_clip(&d)).unwrap().0.bounding_box();
+    assert!((b.x0 - want.x0).abs() < 0.5 && (b.x1 - want.x1).abs() < 0.5, "exported: {b:?} against {want:?}");
+}
+
+#[test]
+fn nested_effects_apply_before_the_clip_groups() {
+    // The clip group grows its clipping path by 10 (Offset Path). Inside the clipping path a
+    // Transform moves a member 60 pt right: the region grows from the moved member.
+    let evaluated = |clip: Node| {
+        let mut g = clip_group(1, clip);
+        g.appearance.effects.push(fx("path.offsetPath", json!({"offset": 10})));
+        let e = crate::evaluate_container(None, &g).unwrap();
+        let NodeKind::Group { children, clip: true } = &e.kind else { panic!("not a clip group") };
+        clip_outline(&children[0]).unwrap().0.bounding_box()
+    };
+    let moved = || clipping_path(3, vec![fx("distort.transform", json!({"moveH": 60}))]);
+    let close = |a: Rect, b: Rect| (a.x0 - b.x0).abs() < 0.5 && (a.x1 - b.x1).abs() < 0.5 && (a.y0 - b.y0).abs() < 0.5;
+    let want = Rect::new(100.0, 40.0, 220.0, 160.0);
+    // A group holding the member.
+    let b = evaluated(Node::group(NodeId(2), vec![Arc::new(moved())]));
+    assert!(close(b, want), "group: {b:?}");
+    // A compound path of the member, with a Transform of its own moving it 10 pt down.
+    let mut compound = Node::new(NodeId(2), NodeKind::Compound { children: vec![Arc::new(moved())], rule: vectorcraft_geom::FillRule::NonZero });
+    compound.appearance.effects.push(fx("distort.transform", json!({"moveV": 10})));
+    let b = evaluated(compound);
+    assert!(close(b, Rect::new(100.0, 50.0, 220.0, 170.0)), "compound: {b:?}");
+}
+
+#[test]
+fn clipping_type_keeps_its_effect_where_other_type_stays_type() {
+    // Type moved 30 pt right by its Transform clips a red square, beside other type, in a group
+    // that a Transform moves 10 pt down: the export keeps the other type as type and outlines the
+    // clipping type, which still clips where the canvas clips.
+    use vectorcraft_doc::text::{CharStyle, TextObject};
+    let text = |id: u64, effects: Vec<Effect>| {
+        let style = CharStyle { size: 40.0, fill: Paint::solid(Color::BLACK), ..Default::default() };
+        let mut t = Node::new(NodeId(id), NodeKind::Text(Box::new(TextObject::point(vectorcraft_geom::Point::new(5.0, 60.0), "IIII", style))));
+        t.appearance.effects = effects;
+        t
+    };
+    let clipped = clip_group(2, text(3, vec![fx("distort.transform", json!({"moveH": 30}))]));
+    let mut outer = Node::group(NodeId(1), vec![Arc::new(clipped), Arc::new(text(5, vec![]))]);
+    outer.appearance.effects.push(fx("distort.transform", json!({"moveV": 10})));
+    fn clip_of(n: &Node) -> Option<Rect> {
+        match &n.kind {
+            NodeKind::Group { children, clip: true } => Some(clip_outline(children.first()?)?.0.bounding_box()),
+            _ => n.children()?.iter().find_map(|c| clip_of(c)),
+        }
+    }
+    if vectorcraft_text::CRAFT_FONTS.is_empty() {
+        eprintln!("skipped: built without craft-fonts (set CRAFT_FONTS_DIR to a craft-fonts checkout to run it)");
+        return;
+    }
+    let plain = clip_outline(&text(3, vec![])).unwrap().0.bounding_box();
+    let canvas = clip_of(&crate::evaluate_container(None, &outer).unwrap()).unwrap();
+    let mut d = Document::new(400.0, 400.0);
+    let layer = d.layers[0].id;
+    d.insert(Some(layer), 0, outer).unwrap();
+    let baked = bake_document(&d).unwrap();
+    let mut exported = None;
+    for l in &baked.layers {
+        exported = exported.or_else(|| clip_of(l));
+    }
+    let exported = exported.unwrap();
+    assert!((canvas.x0 - plain.x0 - 30.0).abs() < 0.5 && (canvas.y0 - plain.y0 - 10.0).abs() < 0.5, "{canvas:?} from {plain:?}");
+    assert!((exported.x0 - canvas.x0).abs() < 0.5 && (exported.y0 - canvas.y0).abs() < 0.5, "exported {exported:?}, canvas {canvas:?}");
+    // The outlined clipping type keeps its black fill, which paints behind the clipped art.
+    let outlined = crate::reshape::clipping_text_outline(&text(3, vec![fx("distort.transform", json!({"moveH": 30}))])).unwrap();
+    fn fills(n: &Node) -> usize {
+        n.appearance.items.iter().filter(|i| matches!(i, vectorcraft_doc::AppearanceItem::Fill(f) if f.paint != Paint::None)).count()
+            + n.children().into_iter().flatten().map(|c| fills(c)).sum::<usize>()
+    }
+    assert!(fills(&outlined) > 0, "{outlined:?}");
+}
+
+#[test]
+fn a_painted_clipping_paths_gradient_follows_its_effect() {
+    // A clipping path filled with a gradient placed across it, moved 60 pt right by its Transform
+    // effect, in a clip group with an effect of its own: the gradient moves with the path.
+    use vectorcraft_color::{Gradient, GradientGeom, GradientKind, GradientPaint, GradientStop};
+    let stops = vec![GradientStop::new(0.0, Color::BLACK), GradientStop::new(1.0, Color::WHITE)];
+    let geom = GradientGeom { start: (50.0, 100.0).into(), end: (150.0, 100.0).into(), aspect: 1.0, focal: None };
+    let placed = Paint::Gradient(Box::new(GradientPaint { geom: Some(geom), ..GradientPaint::new(Gradient::new(GradientKind::Linear, stops)) }));
+    let mut clip = clipping_path(2, vec![fx("distort.transform", json!({"moveH": 60}))]);
+    clip.appearance = Appearance { effects: clip.appearance.effects.clone(), ..Appearance::basic(placed, Paint::None, 0.0) }.into();
+    let mut group = clip_group(1, clip);
+    group.appearance.effects.push(fx("path.offsetPath", json!({"offset": 0})));
+    let evaluated = crate::evaluate_container(None, &group).unwrap();
+    let NodeKind::Group { children, clip: true } = &evaluated.kind else { panic!("not a clip group") };
+    let Paint::Gradient(g) = children[0].appearance.fill_paint() else { panic!("no gradient") };
+    let start = g.geom.unwrap().start;
+    assert!((start.x - 110.0).abs() < 1e-6, "the gradient starts at the moved path's left edge: {start:?}");
+}
+
+#[test]
+fn a_nested_clip_groups_hidden_clipping_path_keeps_its_effect() {
+    // A clip group used as a clipping path clips by its clipping path whether it is shown or not.
+    let mut d = Document::new(400.0, 400.0);
+    let layer = d.layers[0].id;
+    let mut hidden = clipping_path(4, vec![fx("distort.transform", json!({"moveH": -30}))]);
+    hidden.visible = false;
+    let outer = clip_group(1, clip_group(3, hidden));
+    d.insert(Some(layer), 0, outer.clone()).unwrap();
+    let NodeKind::Group { children, .. } = &outer.kind else { panic!("not a group") };
+    let b = bounds(&children[0]);
+    assert!((b.x0 - 20.0).abs() < 1e-6 && (b.x1 - 120.0).abs() < 1e-6, "{b:?}");
+    assert_eq!(clip_outline(&children[0]), clip_outline(&baked_clip(&d)), "the canvas clips by the outline the export writes");
+}
+
+#[test]
+fn a_fills_geometry_effect_shapes_the_clip_as_an_export_does() {
+    // The clipping path's fill has a Transform effect moving it 60 pt right; the path has none.
+    let mut d = Document::new(400.0, 400.0);
+    let layer = d.layers[0].id;
+    let mut clip = clipping_path(2, vec![]);
+    clip.appearance = Appearance::basic(Paint::solid(Color::rgb(0.0, 0.0, 0.0)), Paint::None, 0.0).into();
+    for item in &mut clip.appearance.items {
+        if let vectorcraft_doc::AppearanceItem::Fill(f) = item {
+            f.effects.push(fx("distort.transform", json!({"moveH": 60})));
+        }
+    }
+    let group = clip_group(1, clip);
+    d.insert(Some(layer), 0, group.clone()).unwrap();
+    let NodeKind::Group { children, .. } = &group.kind else { panic!("not a group") };
+    let live = clip_outline(&children[0]).unwrap();
+    let exported = clip_outline(&baked_clip(&d)).unwrap();
+    assert_eq!(live.0.bounding_box(), exported.0.bounding_box(), "the canvas clips by the outline the export writes");
+    assert!((live.0.bounding_box().x1 - 210.0).abs() < 1e-6, "the moved fill reaches 210: {:?}", live.0.bounding_box());
+    // A path of a compound clipping path with a fill effect of its own stays part of the region.
+    let mut member = clipping_path(4, vec![]);
+    member.appearance = children[0].appearance.clone();
+    let other = Node::path(NodeId(5), shapes::rectangle(Rect::new(0.0, 0.0, 20.0, 20.0)), Appearance::default());
+    let compound =
+        Node::new(NodeId(3), NodeKind::Compound { children: vec![Arc::new(member), Arc::new(other)], rule: vectorcraft_geom::FillRule::NonZero });
+    assert_eq!(bounds(&compound), Rect::new(0.0, 0.0, 150.0, 150.0));
+}
+
+#[test]
+fn a_fills_geometry_effect_shapes_the_clip_before_the_effects_around_it() {
+    // Offset Path 10 on the fill of an unpainted clipping path, in a group that its Transform
+    // scales to 50 %: the region is the grown square at half size, 60 pt across, as it is when the
+    // clipping path is the member of a group that clips by its members.
+    let clip_with = |fill: Paint| {
+        let mut clip = clipping_path(3, vec![]);
+        clip.appearance = Appearance::basic(fill, Paint::None, 0.0).into();
+        for item in &mut clip.appearance.items {
+            if let vectorcraft_doc::AppearanceItem::Fill(f) = item {
+                f.effects.push(fx("path.offsetPath", json!({"offset": 10})));
+            }
+        }
+        clip
+    };
+    let scaled = |clip: Node| {
+        let mut outer = Node::group(NodeId(1), vec![Arc::new(clip_group(2, clip))]);
+        outer.appearance.effects.push(fx("distort.transform", json!({"scaleH": 50, "scaleV": 50})));
+        outer
+    };
+    fn first_clip(n: &Node) -> Option<Arc<Node>> {
+        match &n.kind {
+            NodeKind::Group { children, clip: true } => children.first().cloned(),
+            _ => n.children()?.iter().find_map(|c| first_clip(c)),
+        }
+    }
+    let clip_of = |n: &Node| clip_outline(&first_clip(n).unwrap()).unwrap().0.bounding_box();
+    let close = |r: Rect| (r.width() - 60.0).abs() < 0.5 && (r.height() - 60.0).abs() < 0.5;
+    let nested = clip_of(&crate::evaluate_container(None, &scaled(Node::group(NodeId(4), vec![Arc::new(clip_with(Paint::None))]))).unwrap());
+    assert!(close(nested), "nested: {nested:?}");
+    let outer = scaled(clip_with(Paint::None));
+    let canvas = clip_of(&crate::evaluate_container(None, &outer).unwrap());
+    assert!(close(canvas), "canvas: {canvas:?}");
+    let mut d = Document::new(400.0, 400.0);
+    let layer = d.layers[0].id;
+    d.insert(Some(layer), 0, outer).unwrap();
+    let baked = bake_document(&d).unwrap();
+    let exported = baked.layers.iter().find_map(|l| first_clip(l)).map(|c| clip_outline(&c).unwrap().0.bounding_box()).unwrap();
+    assert!(close(exported), "exported: {exported:?}");
+    // A clipping path that paints its fill keeps it, a path with the fill's effect live.
+    let painted = first_clip(&crate::evaluate_container(None, &scaled(clip_with(Paint::solid(Color::BLACK)))).unwrap()).unwrap();
+    assert!(painted.clip_paint().fill.is_some(), "{painted:?}");
+}
+
+#[test]
+fn a_baked_clipping_path_gives_its_pieces_ids_of_their_own() {
+    // An unpainted clipping path whose fill and stroke have Transform effects, in a clip group
+    // without effects: the export bakes it into a piece for each, every object with its own id.
+    let mut d = Document::new(400.0, 400.0);
+    let (group, path) = (d.alloc_id(), d.alloc_id());
+    let mut clip = clipping_path(path.0, vec![]);
+    clip.appearance = Appearance::basic(Paint::None, Paint::None, 1.0).into();
+    for item in &mut clip.appearance.items {
+        match item {
+            vectorcraft_doc::AppearanceItem::Fill(f) => f.effects.push(fx("distort.transform", json!({"moveH": 60}))),
+            vectorcraft_doc::AppearanceItem::Stroke(s) => s.effects.push(fx("distort.transform", json!({"moveV": 60}))),
+        }
+    }
+    let layer = d.layers[0].id;
+    d.insert(Some(layer), 0, clip_group(group.0, clip)).unwrap();
+    let baked = bake_document(&d).unwrap();
+    let clip = baked_clip(&d);
+    assert_eq!(clip.children().map(|c| c.len()), Some(2), "{clip:?}");
+    fn ids(n: &Node, out: &mut Vec<NodeId>) {
+        out.push(n.id);
+        for c in n.children().into_iter().flatten() {
+            ids(c, out);
+        }
+    }
+    let mut all = vec![];
+    for l in &baked.layers {
+        ids(l, &mut all);
+    }
+    let unique: std::collections::HashSet<_> = all.iter().collect();
+    assert_eq!(unique.len(), all.len(), "{all:?}");
+}
+
+#[test]
+fn a_hidden_member_with_an_effect_adds_nothing() {
+    let shown = Node::path(NodeId(3), shapes::rectangle(Rect::new(50.0, 50.0, 100.0, 100.0)), Appearance::default());
+    let mut hidden = clipping_path(4, vec![fx("distort.transform", json!({"moveH": 200}))]);
+    hidden.visible = false;
+    let group = Node::group(NodeId(2), vec![Arc::new(shown), Arc::new(hidden)]);
+    assert_eq!(bounds(&group), Rect::new(50.0, 50.0, 100.0, 100.0));
+}
+
+#[test]
+fn raster_and_hidden_effects_leave_the_clip_as_it_is() {
+    let mut hidden = fx("distort.transform", json!({"moveH": 60}));
+    hidden.visible = false;
+    for effects in [vec![], vec![fx("blur.gaussian", json!({"radius": 10}))], vec![hidden]] {
+        assert_eq!(bounds(&clipping_path(1, effects)), Rect::new(50.0, 50.0, 150.0, 150.0));
+    }
+}
diff --git a/crates/render/src/fx/bounds.rs b/crates/render/src/fx/bounds.rs
index ce76713e74..65ce8a91fd 100644
--- a/crates/render/src/fx/bounds.rs
+++ b/crates/render/src/fx/bounds.rs
@@ -623,7 +623,7 @@ fn cull_bounds_in(symbols: &SymbolBoxes, n: &Node, after_reshape: bool, brush: b
             let art = effects::evaluate_container(Some(symbols.document()), n);
             let art = art.as_ref().unwrap_or(n);
             let b = if art.clips() {
-                art.visual_bounds_with(symbols)
+                art.visual_bounds_with(symbols).map(|b| with_clip_region(symbols, art, b))
             } else {
                 art.children()?.iter().fold(None, |acc, c| vectorcraft_geom::union_opt(acc, member(c)))
             }?;
@@ -671,7 +671,7 @@ fn cull_bounds_in(symbols: &SymbolBoxes, n: &Node, after_reshape: bool, brush: b
             let b = n.visual_bounds_with(symbols)?;
             let b = match &n.kind {
                 NodeKind::Text(t) => vectorcraft_geom::union_opt(Some(b), glyphs_box(t, n.appearance.outset())).unwrap_or(b),
-                _ => b,
+                _ => with_clip_region(symbols, n, b),
             };
             let a = live_content_reach(symbols, n);
             Some(b.inflate(a, a))
@@ -679,6 +679,24 @@ fn cull_bounds_in(symbols: &SymbolBoxes, n: &Node, after_reshape: bool, brush: b
     }
 }
 
+/// `b`, the visual bounds of `n`, grown to the region a clip group's or clipping layer's clipping
+/// path clips to when geometry effects in it move or grow that region ([`effects::clip_outline`])
+/// past its plain shape, and to where its stroke paints along it. Other objects keep `b`.
+fn with_clip_region(symbols: &SymbolBoxes, n: &Node, b: Rect) -> Rect {
+    match &n.kind {
+        NodeKind::Group { children, clip: true } | NodeKind::Layer { children, clip: true, .. } => match children.first() {
+            Some(c) if effects::needs_bake(c) => {
+                let s = c.appearance.outset();
+                let region = effects::clip_outline(c).map(|(bp, _)| bp.bounding_box().inflate(s, s));
+                let painted = if has_fx(c) { visual_bounds(symbols, c) } else { None };
+                vectorcraft_geom::union_opt(vectorcraft_geom::union_opt(Some(b), region), painted).unwrap_or(b)
+            }
+            _ => b,
+        },
+        _ => b,
+    }
+}
+
 /// The bounds of the art a 3D effect of `n` draws (Revolve, Extrude & Bevel, Inflate, Rotate),
 /// built now, without `n`'s own raster effects ([`three_d_art_bounds`]): `None` when it draws no
 /// such art, `Some(None)` when that art paints nothing. The renderer measures the art it keeps
diff --git a/crates/render/src/renderer/nodes.rs b/crates/render/src/renderer/nodes.rs
index f649453663..15bd354496 100644
--- a/crates/render/src/renderer/nodes.rs
+++ b/crates/render/src/renderer/nodes.rs
@@ -122,7 +122,8 @@ impl Renderer {
     /// When a plug-in has been installed or removed since the last check
     /// ([`effects::plugin_revision`]), drop what the caches keep from plug-in effects: the effect
     /// geometry of paths with a plug-in effect, the cull bounds of objects that have one or hold one,
-    /// of symbol instances and of the objects that hold them, and the art drawn for the effects of
+    /// of symbol instances and of the objects that hold them, the regions of clipping paths that
+    /// have one or hold one, and the art drawn for the effects of
     /// objects that have a plug-in effect or hold one. Rasters of raster effects and evaluations of live objects hold
     /// the revision in their keys when what they draw has a plug-in effect (`fx::Inputs`,
     /// `live::resources_key`).
@@ -148,6 +149,8 @@ impl Renderer {
             self.geom.retain(|_, e| !holds_plugin_effect(&e.node) && !holds_instance(&e.node));
             // The art of a group holds what its members' plug-in effects draw.
             self.fx_arts.retain(|(node, ..)| !holds_plugin_effect(node));
+            // A clipping path's plug-in effects shape the region it clips to.
+            self.clips.retain(|(node, _)| !holds_plugin_effect(node));
         }
     }
 
diff --git a/crates/render/src/tests/clip.rs b/crates/render/src/tests/clip.rs
index 7b04c02e2d..205c2a2583 100644
--- a/crates/render/src/tests/clip.rs
+++ b/crates/render/src/tests/clip.rs
@@ -95,6 +95,79 @@ fn nothing_to_clip_by_hides_the_art() {
     assert_eq!(r.pixel(50, 50), CLEAR);
 }
 
+#[test]
+fn the_clipping_paths_geometry_effects_shape_the_clip() {
+    // A Transform effect moving the left half 50 pt right: the right half shows instead.
+    let mut d = Document::new(100.0, 100.0);
+    let mut clip = Node::path(d.alloc_id(), rect(Rect::new(0.0, 0.0, 50.0, 100.0)), Appearance::basic(Paint::None, Paint::None, 0.0));
+    clip.appearance.effects.push(vectorcraft_doc::Effect { id: "distort.transform".into(), params: serde_json::json!({"moveH": 50}), visible: true });
+    let r = clipped(d, Arc::new(clip));
+    assert_eq!(r.pixel(25, 50), CLEAR, "the clipping path's own place");
+    assert_eq!(r.pixel(75, 50), BLACK, "where its effect moves it");
+}
+
+#[test]
+fn a_view_of_only_the_moved_clip_draws_the_clipped_art() {
+    // The clipping path covers x 0 to 50 and its Transform effect moves it to x 50 to 100; the
+    // view shows x 60 to 100, past the clipping path's own shape.
+    let mut d = Document::new(100.0, 100.0);
+    let mut clip = Node::path(d.alloc_id(), rect(Rect::new(0.0, 0.0, 50.0, 100.0)), Appearance::basic(Paint::None, Paint::None, 0.0));
+    clip.appearance.effects.push(vectorcraft_doc::Effect { id: "distort.transform".into(), params: serde_json::json!({"moveH": 50}), visible: true });
+    let art = Node::path(d.alloc_id(), rect(Rect::new(0.0, 0.0, 100.0, 100.0)), Appearance::basic(Paint::solid(Color::BLACK), Paint::None, 0.0));
+    let members = vec![Arc::new(clip), Arc::new(art)];
+    let g = Node::new(d.alloc_id(), NodeKind::Group { children: members.clone(), clip: true });
+    // The same in a sublayer that clips by its first object.
+    let mut sublayer = (*d.layers[0]).clone();
+    sublayer.id = d.alloc_id();
+    if let NodeKind::Layer { children, clip, .. } = &mut sublayer.kind {
+        (*children, *clip) = (members, true);
+    }
+    for clipping in [g, sublayer] {
+        let mut d = d.clone();
+        let l = d.layers[0].id;
+        d.insert(Some(l), 0, clipping).unwrap();
+        let r = Renderer::new().render(&d, 40, 100, Affine::translate((-60.0, 0.0)), &RenderOptions::default());
+        assert_eq!(r.pixel(20, 50), BLACK, "x 80, inside the moved clip");
+    }
+}
+
+#[test]
+fn a_view_of_only_the_moved_clip_draws_a_clip_group_with_its_own_appearance() {
+    // As above, with the Transform effect on the clipping path itself or on its fill, and the clip
+    // group with an effect of its own: a Drop Shadow, or a Transform that moves nothing.
+    let moved = || vectorcraft_doc::Effect { id: "distort.transform".into(), params: serde_json::json!({"moveH": 50}), visible: true };
+    let shadow = vectorcraft_doc::Effect {
+        id: "stylize.dropShadow".into(),
+        params: serde_json::json!({"x": 0, "y": 6, "blur": 0, "opacity": 100}),
+        visible: true,
+    };
+    let still = vectorcraft_doc::Effect { id: "distort.transform".into(), params: serde_json::json!({"moveV": 0}), visible: true };
+    for on_fill in [false, true] {
+        for own in [shadow.clone(), still.clone()] {
+            let mut d = Document::new(100.0, 100.0);
+            let mut clip = Node::path(d.alloc_id(), rect(Rect::new(0.0, 0.0, 50.0, 100.0)), Appearance::basic(Paint::None, Paint::None, 0.0));
+            match clip.appearance.items.iter_mut().find_map(|i| match i {
+                vectorcraft_doc::AppearanceItem::Fill(f) if on_fill => Some(f),
+                _ => None,
+            }) {
+                Some(f) => f.effects.push(moved()),
+                None => clip.appearance.effects.push(moved()),
+            }
+            let art =
+                Node::path(d.alloc_id(), rect(Rect::new(0.0, 0.0, 100.0, 100.0)), Appearance::basic(Paint::solid(Color::BLACK), Paint::None, 0.0));
+            let mut g = Node::new(d.alloc_id(), NodeKind::Group { children: vec![Arc::new(clip), Arc::new(art)], clip: true });
+            g.appearance.effects.push(own.clone());
+            let l = d.layers[0].id;
+            d.insert(Some(l), 0, g).unwrap();
+            let what = format!("effect on the fill: {on_fill}, group effect {}", own.id);
+            let whole = Renderer::new().render(&d, 100, 100, Affine::IDENTITY, &RenderOptions::default());
+            assert_eq!(whole.pixel(80, 50), BLACK, "the whole canvas ({what})");
+            let r = Renderer::new().render(&d, 40, 100, Affine::translate((-60.0, 0.0)), &RenderOptions::default());
+            assert_eq!(r.pixel(20, 50), BLACK, "x 80, inside the moved clip ({what})");
+        }
+    }
+}
+
 #[test]
 fn clip_regions_are_cached_per_clipping_path() {
     let mut d = Document::new(100.0, 100.0);
diff --git a/crates/render/src/tests/container.rs b/crates/render/src/tests/container.rs
index 89126cf2a2..dfc8dca91c 100644
--- a/crates/render/src/tests/container.rs
+++ b/crates/render/src/tests/container.rs
@@ -217,9 +217,9 @@ fn type_in_a_group_keeps_its_transparency_and_visibility_under_the_groups_geomet
 
 #[test]
 fn type_in_a_clipping_path_clips_alike_under_the_groups_geometry_effects() {
-    // The red square is clipped by type with a Transform of its own, which the clip leaves out,
-    // then by a group of that type and a small square, with the type shown and hidden. Offset
-    // Path 0 on the clip group leaves every path as it is.
+    // The red square is clipped by type with a Transform of its own, then by a group of that type
+    // and a small square, with the type shown and hidden. Offset Path 0 on the clip group leaves
+    // every path as it is, so the clip group draws the same with it and without it.
     let doc = |effect: bool, grouped: bool, hidden: bool| {
         let mut d = Document::new(100.0, 100.0);
         let style = CharStyle { size: 40.0, fill: Paint::None, ..Default::default() };
diff --git a/crates/render/src/tests/memory.rs b/crates/render/src/tests/memory.rs
index 1f7a49698c..a9226da834 100644
--- a/crates/render/src/tests/memory.rs
+++ b/crates/render/src/tests/memory.rs
@@ -1667,6 +1667,16 @@ fn objects_with_plugin_effects_follow_the_plugins_installed() {
     plugin_change_draws_as_new(alone(20.0, vec![drop_shadow()]), ID, small.clone(), big.clone());
     let blur = effect("blur.gaussian", serde_json::json!({"radius": 1.0}));
     plugin_change_draws_as_new(alone(20.0, vec![blur]), ID, small.clone(), big.clone());
+    // A clip group whose clipping path, the square, has the plug-in effect: it clips a red
+    // rectangle over the whole view by the shape the plug-in draws.
+    let mut d = Document::new(200.0, 100.0);
+    let mut clip = square(&mut d, 20.0, 30.0, vec![]);
+    if let NodeKind::Path { clipping, .. } = &mut clip.kind {
+        *clipping = true;
+    }
+    let red = filled(&mut d, rectangle(Rect::new(0.0, 0.0, 200.0, 100.0)), Paint::solid(Color::rgb(1.0, 0.0, 0.0)), vec![]);
+    let group = Node::new(d.alloc_id(), NodeKind::Group { children: vec![Arc::new(clip), Arc::new(red)], clip: true });
+    plugin_change_draws_as_new(with_art(d, vec![group]), ID, small.clone(), big.clone());
     // An instance of symbol `Shaped`, a group of the square around the origin.
     let mut d = Document::new(200.0, 100.0);
     let art = square(&mut d, -20.0, -20.0, vec![]);
diff --git a/crates/svg/tests/it/effects_export.rs b/crates/svg/tests/it/effects_export.rs
index 832e72c8f8..c1a19e8d53 100644
--- a/crates/svg/tests/it/effects_export.rs
+++ b/crates/svg/tests/it/effects_export.rs
@@ -102,6 +102,37 @@ fn a_strokes_own_glow_filters_the_stroke_element_only() {
     assert!(!export(&doc_with(n), &ExportOptions::default()).contains("<filter "));
 }
 
+#[test]
+fn a_clipping_paths_transform_effect_moves_the_written_clip_path() {
+    // A clip group whose clipping path covers x 0 to 50; `effect` moves it 50 pt right.
+    let clipped = |x0: f64, effect: bool| {
+        let mut clip =
+            Node::path(NodeId(0), shapes::rectangle(Rect::new(x0, 0.0, x0 + 50.0, 100.0)), Appearance::basic(Paint::None, Paint::None, 0.0));
+        if let NodeKind::Path { clipping, .. } = &mut clip.kind {
+            *clipping = true;
+        }
+        if effect {
+            clip.appearance.effects.push(Effect { id: "distort.transform".into(), params: json!({"moveH": 50}), visible: true });
+        }
+        let art = Node::path(
+            NodeId(0),
+            shapes::rectangle(Rect::new(0.0, 0.0, 100.0, 100.0)),
+            Appearance::basic(Paint::solid(Color::BLACK), Paint::None, 0.0),
+        );
+        let mut d = Document::new(200.0, 200.0);
+        let (clip, art) = (Node { id: d.alloc_id(), ..clip }, Node { id: d.alloc_id(), ..art });
+        let g = Node::new(d.alloc_id(), NodeKind::Group { children: vec![std::sync::Arc::new(clip), std::sync::Arc::new(art)], clip: true });
+        let l = d.layers[0].id;
+        d.insert(Some(l), 0, g).unwrap();
+        let svg = export(&d, &ExportOptions::default());
+        let open = svg.find("<clipPath").expect("a clip path");
+        let body = &svg[open..open + svg[open..].find("</clipPath>").expect("its end")];
+        body[body.find('>').unwrap()..].to_string()
+    };
+    assert_eq!(clipped(0.0, true), clipped(50.0, false), "the clip path is written where the effect moves it");
+    assert_ne!(clipped(0.0, true), clipped(0.0, false));
+}
+
 #[test]
 fn geometry_effects_on_type_export_as_its_reshaped_outlines() {
     let style = CharStyle { size: 40.0, fill: Paint::solid(Color::BLACK), ..Default::default() };
diff --git a/docs/target-app-parity.md b/docs/target-app-parity.md
index f5a4c40569..d6d6b682fd 100644
--- a/docs/target-app-parity.md
+++ b/docs/target-app-parity.md
@@ -1590,6 +1590,7 @@ Moved from the ROADMAP's "Shipped so far" on 2026-10-10. Update it when a featur
     Object › Expand Appearance keeps each stroke of a path a stroke (weight, caps, joins, dashes, arrowheads, alignment and width profile) on a copy of the path with the geometry effects baked in, and Object › Expand… is dimmed, with a tooltip, while the selection has appearance attributes, so a stroked line with Zig Zag becomes a stroked zig-zag line and only Expand then outlines it, the two steps the [Expand objects](https://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/desktop/manage-objects/arrange-objects/expand-objects.html) help page describes (#3089). Brushed strokes still become their brush art; `object.expand` still bakes and outlines in one step for agents.
   - **Masks and clipping:** opacity-mask controls work while the mask is being edited; transparency commands take ids and work without a selection; clipping sets clip by compound paths, even-odd paths, text and groups on screen and in raster export, matching SVG/PDF. Alt-click shows only the mask; SVG masks keep Clip and Invert; the transparency grid is per-document state; a clipping path's own fill and stroke paint behind and over the clipped art; layers can be clipping masks.
   - **Masks and clipping:** opacity-mask controls work while the mask is being edited; transparency commands take ids and work without a selection; clipping sets clip by compound paths, even-odd paths, text and groups on screen and in raster export, matching SVG/PDF. Alt-click shows only the mask; SVG masks keep Clip and Invert; the transparency grid is per-document view state saved in native files (#1968); a clipping path's own fill and stroke paint behind and over the clipped art; layers can be clipping masks.
+    The geometry effects of a clipping path (Roughen, Transform and the other effects that reshape a path), of its fills and strokes, and of the members of a group used as one, shape the area it clips to on the canvas and in raster export, as in SVG and PDF export: a roughened clipping path clips by its roughened outline. They apply before the geometry effects of the clip group or of a group around it, on the canvas and in every export, and type used as a clipping path keeps them when a group's effect outlines it. Raster effects such as Gaussian Blur leave that area as it is. `effects::tests::clipfx` and the renderer's `tests::clip` cover it.
   - **Transparency:** three-state Knockout Group (on, neutral, off), Opacity & Mask Define Knockout Shape, Page Isolated Blending and Page Knockout Group, on screen and in SVG/PDF. SVG export writes a knockout group of opaque art plainly, without masks, so shapes meeting edge to edge leave no seam; translucent, blended, masked or brushed art knocks out through masks. Blend modes match the standard formulas on screen, in SVG and in PDF, and non-isolated groups blend with the art below. Flatten Transparency with presets, a dialog and a Flattener Preview panel. Flattening for files without transparency (PDF/X-1a, PDF/X-3) in a CMYK document keeps the inks where it rasterizes, as under an image with see-through pixels: the images it makes hold ink amounts, not screen colours the file would separate again, so a C100 M6 Y41 K3 panel stays C100 M6 Y41 K3 there (#2160, `engine/src/cmd/fileio/tests_pdfx.rs`).
     On the canvas, the renderer no longer draws the picture of the art below back as an image each time it copies the backdrop of a non-isolated group that blends: it keeps that picture and draws the art that follows over it. At 2880 × 1800, 50 translucent groups with Multiply members take 65 ms a frame instead of 299 ms on 8 threads (`vectorcraft-cli bench`), and the frames have the same pixels.
     Type inside a group, layer, symbol instance, blend or repeat keeps its opacity, blend mode, opacity mask, Opacity & Mask Define Knockout Shape, own effects, perspective and visibility when the effects on the container outline it. Hidden type with a geometry effect of its own is left out of exports.