diff --git a/crates/effects/src/bake.rs b/crates/effects/src/bake.rs
index adbdf20b48..27d3194eb3 100644
--- a/crates/effects/src/bake.rs
+++ b/crates/effects/src/bake.rs
@@ -39,7 +39,7 @@ pub(crate) fn item_effects(item: &AppearanceItem) -> &[vectorcraft_doc::Effect]
     }
 }
 
-fn clear_item_effects(item: &mut AppearanceItem) {
+pub(crate) fn clear_item_effects(item: &mut AppearanceItem) {
     match item {
         AppearanceItem::Fill(f) => f.effects = crate::raster::without_geometry(&f.effects),
         AppearanceItem::Stroke(s) => s.effects = crate::raster::without_geometry(&s.effects),
@@ -202,7 +202,22 @@ fn bake_node(d: &mut Document, n: &Node) -> Option<Node> {
             return bake_leaf(d, n);
         }
         let mut m = n.clone();
-        let baked: Vec<Arc<Node>> = ch.iter().map(|c| bake_node(d, c).map(Arc::new).unwrap_or_else(|| c.clone())).collect();
+        // A clipping path takes the geometry effects in it as the canvas clips by it, those of a
+        // compound path's paths before the compound path's own ([`crate::clip::with_clip_effects_applied`]);
+        // the pieces it is made of then get ids of their own.
+        let clip = usize::from(n.clips());
+        let baked: Vec<Arc<Node>> = ch
+            .iter()
+            .enumerate()
+            .map(|(i, c)| match (i < clip).then(|| crate::clip::with_clip_effects_applied(c)).flatten() {
+                Some(a) => {
+                    let mut a = bake_node(d, &a).unwrap_or(a);
+                    fresh_ids(d, &mut a, &mut std::collections::HashSet::new());
+                    Arc::new(a)
+                }
+                None => bake_node(d, c).map(Arc::new).unwrap_or_else(|| c.clone()),
+            })
+            .collect();
         if let Some(ch) = m.children_mut() {
             *ch = baked;
         }
diff --git a/crates/effects/src/clip.rs b/crates/effects/src/clip.rs
index e39deb32b5..60cc3f2845 100644
--- a/crates/effects/src/clip.rs
+++ b/crates/effects/src/clip.rs
@@ -24,17 +24,21 @@ pub fn clip_outline(clip: &Node) -> Option<(BezPath, FillRule)> {
 /// effects, as an export bakes it), the paths of a compound path and the visible members of a group
 /// are reshaped by their own effects before the effects around them, a group's or layer's own
 /// effects reshape its members as an export evaluates them, and other objects with effects (type)
-/// become a path of their reshaped region. The geometry effects of a path's fills and strokes stay
-/// live, for the export to bake. `None` when nothing in it has a geometry effect. Effects on the
-/// clip group or around it then reshape the result, after its own.
+/// become a path of their reshaped region. A path or compound path whose fills or strokes have
+/// geometry effects becomes a group of one path per fill and stroke, reshaped by the path's effects
+/// and then by that fill's or stroke's, as an export bakes it; [`clip_outline`] clips by their
+/// union. A clipping path that paints ([`Node::clip_paint`], which a group does not) keeps the
+/// geometry effects of its own fills and strokes live instead. `None` when nothing in it has a
+/// geometry effect. Effects on the clip group or around it then reshape the result, after its own.
 pub(crate) fn with_clip_effects_applied(n: &Node) -> Option<Node> {
-    clip_effects_applied(n, false)
+    let paint = n.clip_paint();
+    clip_effects_applied(n, paint.fill.is_none() && paint.stroke.is_none())
 }
 
-/// [`with_clip_effects_applied`]; with `region` set, a path or compound path whose fills or strokes
-/// have geometry effects becomes a group of one unpainted path per fill and stroke, reshaped by the
-/// path's effects and then by that fill's or stroke's, whose union [`clip_outline`] clips by.
-fn clip_effects_applied(n: &Node, region: bool) -> Option<Node> {
+/// [`with_clip_effects_applied`]; with `items` unset (a clipping path that paints, and the paths of
+/// a compound path, which draw with the compound path's fills and strokes), the geometry effects of
+/// `n`'s own fills and strokes are left out.
+fn clip_effects_applied(n: &Node, items: bool) -> Option<Node> {
     let mut m: Option<Node> = None;
     let members: &[std::sync::Arc<Node>] = match &n.kind {
         NodeKind::Group { children, clip: true } => children.get(..1).unwrap_or_default(),
@@ -49,33 +53,35 @@ fn clip_effects_applied(n: &Node, region: bool) -> Option<Node> {
     // The paths of a compound path draw with the compound path's fills and strokes, and stay paths.
     let compound = matches!(n.kind, NodeKind::Compound { .. });
     for (i, c) in members.iter().enumerate().skip(skip).filter(|(_, c)| all || c.visible) {
-        if let Some(r) = clip_effects_applied(c, region && !compound)
+        if let Some(r) = clip_effects_applied(c, items && !compound)
             && let Some(slot) = m.get_or_insert_with(|| n.clone()).children_mut().and_then(|ch| ch.get_mut(i))
         {
             *slot = std::sync::Arc::new(r);
         }
     }
-    let items = region
+    let items = items
         && matches!(n.kind, NodeKind::Path { .. } | NodeKind::Compound { .. })
         && n.appearance.items.iter().any(|i| crate::has_geometry(crate::bake::item_effects(i)));
-    if items && let Some((g, rule, ctx, p)) = crate::bake::leaf_base(m.as_ref().unwrap_or(n)) {
+    if items && let Some((g, rule, ctx, mut p)) = crate::bake::leaf_base(m.as_ref().unwrap_or(n)) {
         let children = n
             .appearance
             .items
             .iter()
             .zip(&p.appearance.items)
             .map(|(item, carried)| {
-                let (ig, _) = crate::bake::apply_item(item, carried, &g, &ctx);
-                let mut piece = Node::path(n.id, ig, Appearance::default());
+                let (ig, mut it) = crate::bake::apply_item(item, carried, &g, &ctx);
+                crate::bake::clear_item_effects(&mut it);
+                let mut piece = Node::path(n.id, ig, Appearance { items: vec![it], ..Default::default() });
                 if let NodeKind::Path { rule: r, .. } = &mut piece.kind {
                     *r = rule;
                 }
                 std::sync::Arc::new(piece)
             })
             .collect();
-        let mut out = Node::new(n.id, NodeKind::Group { children, clip: false });
-        out.visible = n.visible;
-        return Some(out);
+        // The path's transparency and raster effects stay on the group of its pieces.
+        p.appearance.items.clear();
+        p.kind = NodeKind::Group { children, clip: false };
+        return Some(p);
     }
     if !crate::has_geometry(&n.appearance.effects) {
         return m;
diff --git a/crates/effects/src/tests/clipfx.rs b/crates/effects/src/tests/clipfx.rs
index c513be72c3..370f32fa81 100644
--- a/crates/effects/src/tests/clipfx.rs
+++ b/crates/effects/src/tests/clipfx.rs
@@ -131,6 +131,15 @@ fn a_compound_paths_member_keeps_its_effect() {
     let live = clip_outline(&moved).unwrap();
     assert_eq!(live, clip_outline(&baked_clip(&d)).unwrap(), "the canvas clips by the outline the export writes");
     assert_ne!(live, clip_outline(&ring(vec![])).unwrap(), "the hole moves");
+    // With a Transform of the compound path's own moving the whole ring 10 pt down after it.
+    let mut both = moved.clone();
+    both.appearance.effects.push(fx("distort.transform", json!({"moveV": 10})));
+    let mut d = Document::new(400.0, 400.0);
+    let layer = d.layers[0].id;
+    d.insert(Some(layer), 0, clip_group(1, both.clone())).unwrap();
+    let live = clip_outline(&both).unwrap();
+    assert_eq!(live, clip_outline(&baked_clip(&d)).unwrap(), "the canvas clips by the outline the export writes");
+    assert_ne!(live.0.bounding_box(), clip_outline(&moved).unwrap().0.bounding_box(), "the ring moves down");
 }
 
 #[test]
@@ -296,6 +305,83 @@ fn a_fills_geometry_effect_shapes_the_clip_as_an_export_does() {
     assert_eq!(bounds(&compound), Rect::new(0.0, 0.0, 150.0, 150.0));
 }
 
+#[test]
+fn a_fills_geometry_effect_shapes_the_clip_before_the_effects_around_it() {
+    // Offset Path 10 on the fill of an unpainted clipping path, in a group that its Transform
+    // scales to 50 %: the region is the grown square at half size, 60 pt across, as it is when the
+    // clipping path is the member of a group that clips by its members.
+    let clip_with = |fill: Paint| {
+        let mut clip = clipping_path(3, vec![]);
+        clip.appearance = Appearance::basic(fill, Paint::None, 0.0).into();
+        for item in &mut clip.appearance.items {
+            if let vectorcraft_doc::AppearanceItem::Fill(f) = item {
+                f.effects.push(fx("path.offsetPath", json!({"offset": 10})));
+            }
+        }
+        clip
+    };
+    let scaled = |clip: Node| {
+        let mut outer = Node::group(NodeId(1), vec![Arc::new(clip_group(2, clip))]);
+        outer.appearance.effects.push(fx("distort.transform", json!({"scaleH": 50, "scaleV": 50})));
+        outer
+    };
+    fn first_clip(n: &Node) -> Option<Arc<Node>> {
+        match &n.kind {
+            NodeKind::Group { children, clip: true } => children.first().cloned(),
+            _ => n.children()?.iter().find_map(|c| first_clip(c)),
+        }
+    }
+    let clip_of = |n: &Node| clip_outline(&first_clip(n).unwrap()).unwrap().0.bounding_box();
+    let close = |r: Rect| (r.width() - 60.0).abs() < 0.5 && (r.height() - 60.0).abs() < 0.5;
+    let nested = clip_of(&crate::evaluate_container(None, &scaled(Node::group(NodeId(4), vec![Arc::new(clip_with(Paint::None))]))).unwrap());
+    assert!(close(nested), "nested: {nested:?}");
+    let outer = scaled(clip_with(Paint::None));
+    let canvas = clip_of(&crate::evaluate_container(None, &outer).unwrap());
+    assert!(close(canvas), "canvas: {canvas:?}");
+    let mut d = Document::new(400.0, 400.0);
+    let layer = d.layers[0].id;
+    d.insert(Some(layer), 0, outer).unwrap();
+    let baked = bake_document(&d).unwrap();
+    let exported = baked.layers.iter().find_map(|l| first_clip(l)).map(|c| clip_outline(&c).unwrap().0.bounding_box()).unwrap();
+    assert!(close(exported), "exported: {exported:?}");
+    // A clipping path that paints its fill keeps it, a path with the fill's effect live.
+    let painted = first_clip(&crate::evaluate_container(None, &scaled(clip_with(Paint::solid(Color::BLACK)))).unwrap()).unwrap();
+    assert!(painted.clip_paint().fill.is_some(), "{painted:?}");
+}
+
+#[test]
+fn a_baked_clipping_path_gives_its_pieces_ids_of_their_own() {
+    // An unpainted clipping path whose fill and stroke have Transform effects, in a clip group
+    // without effects: the export bakes it into a piece for each, every object with its own id.
+    let mut d = Document::new(400.0, 400.0);
+    let (group, path) = (d.alloc_id(), d.alloc_id());
+    let mut clip = clipping_path(path.0, vec![]);
+    clip.appearance = Appearance::basic(Paint::None, Paint::None, 1.0).into();
+    for item in &mut clip.appearance.items {
+        match item {
+            vectorcraft_doc::AppearanceItem::Fill(f) => f.effects.push(fx("distort.transform", json!({"moveH": 60}))),
+            vectorcraft_doc::AppearanceItem::Stroke(s) => s.effects.push(fx("distort.transform", json!({"moveV": 60}))),
+        }
+    }
+    let layer = d.layers[0].id;
+    d.insert(Some(layer), 0, clip_group(group.0, clip)).unwrap();
+    let baked = bake_document(&d).unwrap();
+    let clip = baked_clip(&d);
+    assert_eq!(clip.children().map(|c| c.len()), Some(2), "{clip:?}");
+    fn ids(n: &Node, out: &mut Vec<NodeId>) {
+        out.push(n.id);
+        for c in n.children().into_iter().flatten() {
+            ids(c, out);
+        }
+    }
+    let mut all = vec![];
+    for l in &baked.layers {
+        ids(l, &mut all);
+    }
+    let unique: std::collections::HashSet<_> = all.iter().collect();
+    assert_eq!(unique.len(), all.len(), "{all:?}");
+}
+
 #[test]
 fn a_hidden_member_with_an_effect_adds_nothing() {
     let shown = Node::path(NodeId(3), shapes::rectangle(Rect::new(50.0, 50.0, 100.0, 100.0)), Appearance::default());
diff --git a/crates/render/src/fx/bounds.rs b/crates/render/src/fx/bounds.rs
index 7816d3f187..65ce8a91fd 100644
--- a/crates/render/src/fx/bounds.rs
+++ b/crates/render/src/fx/bounds.rs
@@ -623,7 +623,7 @@ fn cull_bounds_in(symbols: &SymbolBoxes, n: &Node, after_reshape: bool, brush: b
             let art = effects::evaluate_container(Some(symbols.document()), n);
             let art = art.as_ref().unwrap_or(n);
             let b = if art.clips() {
-                art.visual_bounds_with(symbols)
+                art.visual_bounds_with(symbols).map(|b| with_clip_region(symbols, art, b))
             } else {
                 art.children()?.iter().fold(None, |acc, c| vectorcraft_geom::union_opt(acc, member(c)))
             }?;
@@ -671,18 +671,7 @@ fn cull_bounds_in(symbols: &SymbolBoxes, n: &Node, after_reshape: bool, brush: b
             let b = n.visual_bounds_with(symbols)?;
             let b = match &n.kind {
                 NodeKind::Text(t) => vectorcraft_geom::union_opt(Some(b), glyphs_box(t, n.appearance.outset())).unwrap_or(b),
-                // The geometry effects in a clipping path move or grow the region it clips to
-                // ([`effects::clip_outline`]) past its plain shape, and its stroke paints along it.
-                NodeKind::Group { children, clip: true } | NodeKind::Layer { children, clip: true, .. } => match children.first() {
-                    Some(c) if effects::needs_bake(c) => {
-                        let s = c.appearance.outset();
-                        let region = effects::clip_outline(c).map(|(bp, _)| bp.bounding_box().inflate(s, s));
-                        let painted = if has_fx(c) { visual_bounds(symbols, c) } else { None };
-                        vectorcraft_geom::union_opt(vectorcraft_geom::union_opt(Some(b), region), painted).unwrap_or(b)
-                    }
-                    _ => b,
-                },
-                _ => b,
+                _ => with_clip_region(symbols, n, b),
             };
             let a = live_content_reach(symbols, n);
             Some(b.inflate(a, a))
@@ -690,6 +679,24 @@ fn cull_bounds_in(symbols: &SymbolBoxes, n: &Node, after_reshape: bool, brush: b
     }
 }
 
+/// `b`, the visual bounds of `n`, grown to the region a clip group's or clipping layer's clipping
+/// path clips to when geometry effects in it move or grow that region ([`effects::clip_outline`])
+/// past its plain shape, and to where its stroke paints along it. Other objects keep `b`.
+fn with_clip_region(symbols: &SymbolBoxes, n: &Node, b: Rect) -> Rect {
+    match &n.kind {
+        NodeKind::Group { children, clip: true } | NodeKind::Layer { children, clip: true, .. } => match children.first() {
+            Some(c) if effects::needs_bake(c) => {
+                let s = c.appearance.outset();
+                let region = effects::clip_outline(c).map(|(bp, _)| bp.bounding_box().inflate(s, s));
+                let painted = if has_fx(c) { visual_bounds(symbols, c) } else { None };
+                vectorcraft_geom::union_opt(vectorcraft_geom::union_opt(Some(b), region), painted).unwrap_or(b)
+            }
+            _ => b,
+        },
+        _ => b,
+    }
+}
+
 /// The bounds of the art a 3D effect of `n` draws (Revolve, Extrude & Bevel, Inflate, Rotate),
 /// built now, without `n`'s own raster effects ([`three_d_art_bounds`]): `None` when it draws no
 /// such art, `Some(None)` when that art paints nothing. The renderer measures the art it keeps
diff --git a/crates/render/src/tests/clip.rs b/crates/render/src/tests/clip.rs
index cdd2028441..205c2a2583 100644
--- a/crates/render/src/tests/clip.rs
+++ b/crates/render/src/tests/clip.rs
@@ -131,6 +131,43 @@ fn a_view_of_only_the_moved_clip_draws_the_clipped_art() {
     }
 }
 
+#[test]
+fn a_view_of_only_the_moved_clip_draws_a_clip_group_with_its_own_appearance() {
+    // As above, with the Transform effect on the clipping path itself or on its fill, and the clip
+    // group with an effect of its own: a Drop Shadow, or a Transform that moves nothing.
+    let moved = || vectorcraft_doc::Effect { id: "distort.transform".into(), params: serde_json::json!({"moveH": 50}), visible: true };
+    let shadow = vectorcraft_doc::Effect {
+        id: "stylize.dropShadow".into(),
+        params: serde_json::json!({"x": 0, "y": 6, "blur": 0, "opacity": 100}),
+        visible: true,
+    };
+    let still = vectorcraft_doc::Effect { id: "distort.transform".into(), params: serde_json::json!({"moveV": 0}), visible: true };
+    for on_fill in [false, true] {
+        for own in [shadow.clone(), still.clone()] {
+            let mut d = Document::new(100.0, 100.0);
+            let mut clip = Node::path(d.alloc_id(), rect(Rect::new(0.0, 0.0, 50.0, 100.0)), Appearance::basic(Paint::None, Paint::None, 0.0));
+            match clip.appearance.items.iter_mut().find_map(|i| match i {
+                vectorcraft_doc::AppearanceItem::Fill(f) if on_fill => Some(f),
+                _ => None,
+            }) {
+                Some(f) => f.effects.push(moved()),
+                None => clip.appearance.effects.push(moved()),
+            }
+            let art =
+                Node::path(d.alloc_id(), rect(Rect::new(0.0, 0.0, 100.0, 100.0)), Appearance::basic(Paint::solid(Color::BLACK), Paint::None, 0.0));
+            let mut g = Node::new(d.alloc_id(), NodeKind::Group { children: vec![Arc::new(clip), Arc::new(art)], clip: true });
+            g.appearance.effects.push(own.clone());
+            let l = d.layers[0].id;
+            d.insert(Some(l), 0, g).unwrap();
+            let what = format!("effect on the fill: {on_fill}, group effect {}", own.id);
+            let whole = Renderer::new().render(&d, 100, 100, Affine::IDENTITY, &RenderOptions::default());
+            assert_eq!(whole.pixel(80, 50), BLACK, "the whole canvas ({what})");
+            let r = Renderer::new().render(&d, 40, 100, Affine::translate((-60.0, 0.0)), &RenderOptions::default());
+            assert_eq!(r.pixel(20, 50), BLACK, "x 80, inside the moved clip ({what})");
+        }
+    }
+}
+
 #[test]
 fn clip_regions_are_cached_per_clipping_path() {
     let mut d = Document::new(100.0, 100.0);